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Topic: I need some help
Part of the forum "Ishmael and Saving the World" in the IshCon Forum Archive
| Poster and Date | Post |
| tonyz Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 05:42 PM |
What is the first class taught at the UnSchool? Love, ~TonyZ |
| Mal Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 06:22 PM |
What is the Unschool and why does it exist? Akin to Silas' Earnest Desire. (for the first class) |
| tonyz Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 06:48 PM |
The UnSchool doesn't exist with out curriculum, teachers, and students. Go ahead, tkae a crack at it, help us invent it. Love, ~TonyZ |
| Hypnopompia Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 06:51 PM |
One of the first classes would be "what is a tribe and how does a tribe work." I assume these lessons will be taught out of the classroom paradigm? |
| tonyz Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 06:55 PM |
Well wait, we are unschooling people. Is talking about the tribe the first thing to do? I'm thinking more about what we need to UNlearn as the first subjects. Love, ~TonyZ |
| Hypnopompia Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 06:56 PM |
Start with an indepth analysis of previous memic structures as a prelude to adding new ones? |
| WackyMorningDJ Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 07:00 PM |
Ah... this is for adult "reeducation" right? So it would be a discussion seminar giving a general overview of... "why unschool?" Or about whatever. I think it would be very very important to have the fist class (if not all) be discussion based, with a teacher acting maybe as a facilitator, and generally letting the discussion be dominated by "students". Maybe a "what's wrong?" seminar... at least a general overview. There's no way that you could cover everything all at once. But an introduction. I assume you're talking about an intro class, right? I mean, if you want to come for a few specific classes, you wouldn't really want to take the intro. Unless it's specifically about unschooling, and the particular method that this unschool uses. |
| tonyz Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 08:03 PM |
Yeah, This is definitely for the adults. Okay, that'sa good suggestion. Would we be teaching Ishconners, or the general public, at first? I would assume Ishconners would want less of the what is wrong with the world stuff. Love, ~TonyZ |
| WackyMorningDJ Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 08:14 PM |
Alright, so... it would might be harder to provide maybe, further education for people already in pursuit of this, because people have such a broad range of ideas, it might be hard to find classes for everything. However, of the people who come, I'd say almost all of them are going to benefit, and pursue it further. Now, if it caters to the general public, there would be a much more general appeal... it wouldn't have to be specific to a small group of people. It might be easier to do this, as a series of classes (maybe similar to B's rotating lecture series). We'd reach a whole bunch more people, but the percentage who actively pursue wouldn't be as high. Then again, the logistics of doing this broad approach are probably a whole whole lot simpler. There just wouldn't have to be so many different classes. Or, maybe it could be a range of classes for Ish folks, who would voraciously attend (better discussions probabaly, or at least more active), and then expand to fit the general bill. Or maybe it's easier to do it the other way 'round. If we start with general classes, there would be a larger base of people to attend more in depth classes, which could come later, after we establish a base. -----If we want to change minds, definitely general. |
| Hypnopompia Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 08:18 PM |
And let the Ishmalites know what you're doing: making sure everyone is on the same page. Hell, invite them to help. This isn't a civilized learning environment. |
| WackyMorningDJ Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 08:21 PM |
Oh yeah man. There are a whole bunch of people who are particular "experts" if you will, on certain topics. Maybe a different guest speaker to start each topic? And it's probabaly best to get a fairly good consensus on what will be taught, between people who have been through change. Ishmael is a great book, although it's got plenty of holes, and well, people usually learn better when there are people there to answer questions. I know there were a lot of points in the book when I either would have given a completely different answer than Alan, or where I wouldn't have made the incredibly leaps he did. That's the big problem with socratic writing. |
| MidnightBoos Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 09:10 PM |
... well, what did B start with? there's this basic blueprint for the order of things in "The Story of B" - but it wasn't gone about in a very 'unschool' way in that story. |
| ProjectPurity Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 10:03 PM |
She has a very good point, this course of studies has already been layed out for us, so to speak, to make use of and to expand upon. Corrispondingly, a "what's wrong?" approach would be potentially the best to start with. Basically, i believe that understanding when it's Mother Culture talking and when it's good to go. That's the proof in the pudding. Once you understand the situations leading up to this, it's easy to expand on internally.... like dominoes, and this first step really knocks over the first domino. |
| WackyMorningDJ Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 10:22 PM |
'xactly Well, Story of B and My Ish basically repeated the same things as Ish began with. Except that they were from a religious and kid's standpoint, respectively. So yeah, there's a basic framework, and I suppose if we intend this as a course for the general public, we're just looking for an alternative take on what we already know. |
| tonyz Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 10:29 PM |
I think we would be better helping people if we were sharing what we are best at. Love, ~TonyZ |
| Hypnopompia Sun Mar 13th, 2005 at 10:51 PM |
You know there are a lot of teacher related files and lesson plans and such on the ishmael.org site. Of course, they're geared towards schools, but there might be something there that can be used, or at least inspire. |
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