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Topic: Who's interested in another fall campout?

Part of the forum "Small Talk Tavern" in the IshCon Forum Archive

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ice-nine Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 04:08 PM	Jason and I were talking about organizing another Fall IshCon, since no one else seems interested in doing it... If Chris doesn't want to be involved, we can not call it "IshCon" and call it "AnthropiCon" or something. :lol: In any case, this theoretical gathering would be very much like Fall IshCon 2004: a casual camp-out (not at the Godeskys' cabin; probably at a commercial campground) sometime around Labor Day Weekend. One possible location is the Seneca Shadows campground in Seneca Rocks, West Virginia. (They have large group sites available.) We went there last weekend and it's gorgeous! Also, the people who run the campground are really nice. In the end, the location depends on who wants to come and where they live. So if you're interested in this kind of thing, please post your name and location here. Danke.
prometheus235 Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 04:29 PM	i would be interested in it. but i don't know if there is an ishcon member time-put-in requisite. but it sounds like blast!!! i live in south louisiana. Rory
JCamasto Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 04:47 PM	Very spooky timing, Giuli. I (literally, at the same time you posted this) just sent an email 'bout this same idea to Jason, and was coming here to get your email to forward a copy.... ---- I'm in - wherever we coalesce. I propose PA or WVA state parks, the weekend after labor day (for travel ease and reservation availability). Both PA & WVA parks take reservations; in PA you could score a resident discount. Did I mention some PA parks have yurts for rent? ----- Call it: Ishcamp meets Anthropicnic -Jim
Seeker Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 05:28 PM	"Jim" wrote: Call it: Ishcamp meets Anthropicnic LOL! :lol: Good one, Jim. I'm in, too. Transportation may or may not be an issue, but I should be able to get the support of my parents. I'm out of debt now, so I can at the very least earn the requisite money. How much central planning is going to be involved? I mean, what are we doing about food, supplies, etc. Is this going to primarily be a bring-everything-you-need-(and-what-ever-else-you-want) event? It'd be nice if we could arrange for those closest to the place to deal with food issues, with reimbursement from those participating. That way I wouldn't have to lug food from North Carolina all the way up there. Since I can't drive yet (goddamn state H.S. graduation requirement), I imagine I'll have to get public transportation of some sort -- carrying a big cooler on a bus isn't my idea of a (Anthro)picnic.
jefgodesky Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 05:53 PM	If that's what people are interested in, that can be arranged. I found last year's camping trip to be even more useful than the conference--and not just because I met Giuli there. The conference covers a lot of theory, but the camping trip was hands-on. No, IshCon is not a tribe, but for a few days you get to feel what tribalism is really like. You can understand that the earth will support you academically all you want; you don't really understand it until you've gone into the woods and come out with a salad. Not everyone got that from it. A lot of folks prefer a more organized format. That seems to be more IshCon's thing. Bringing people together, sharing ideas, building community, that's what IshCon does best. Throwing a party in the middle of the woods to show y'all the wonders of primitive living--that's what we do best. Chris came up with all this, and it's his baby. He's got first dibs. If he wants to put together another fall IshCon, I'll just write my check and have some fun. But I can also see where this might not be something that Chris or the rest of you want to see turn into a regular thing. If that's the case, I'd hate to see it go extinct entirely, so we'll be more than happy to step up with the Anthropiknik. :-) But before this gets any further along, perhaps we should sit back and see what Chris has to say about all this?
silas Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 06:25 PM	A few thoughts: Y'all obviously don't need my blessing to get together for a weekend. But I do appreciate the explicit concern shown for avoiding confusion about what an IshCon-branded event is and is not. It's a question that I've tried to work out at various points in the past, either when it's come up with other groups putting together their own events, or just to have some sort of consistency on the matter. I haven't found a set of guidelines that work well universally yet, so to date I've thought about it on a case-by-case basis. To be clear, I didn't organize last year's fall gathering. The people who attended it did, using this site and plain old e-mail; I just threw in a few logistical resources. So even if I did feel like taking the initiative on doing another one (which has already been taken care of), there's not much I would think of as uniquely mine to contribute for that kind of gathering. All that said, if it's all the same to everyone else, I'd prefer that any event put together not be referred to as a "Fall IshCon" or anything else that might invite comparison to the conferences - at least not until I can figure out how to clarify those differences consistently and for all to reference. As Jason said, they serve different purposes and have different target participants, and there are, in my view, some aspects that go into planning and having an IshCon conference that make them significantly different from what can be experienced in other settings. Does that make sense? I hate to gloss over some of my thinking on this stuff and am in a bit of a hurry right now, but wanted to get something out there to chew on so I don't hold you folks up (again, thanks for the consideration). I like "Anthropiknik" - very catchy. I see dueling T-shirt contests coming on... Also, for what it's worth, I've talked with a number of folks in the area (i.e. Indiana/Illinois/Wisconsin) who indicated they were interested in another kind of event like last fall, but didn't want to make the haul out east again. So it may be that there'll be multiple camping gathering opportunities in the fall, if we get our acts together. Silas
twokniveskatie Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 07:39 PM	just for clarity.... i brought this up a couple weeks ago, and there was mention of an alumni kind of thing (i've heard talk about this previously also) so i guess my question is are we talking here about alumni or open attendence?
JCamasto Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 07:54 PM	-Kate, I think the "alumni event" was a different idea that died on the vine. (If you mean this one - link) -I see no reason to restrict a gathering based on status (alumni or posts or hours-put-in, etc.) -I amend my proposed weekend to the 2nd after labor day, ~9/16-19 (Kat conflict on 9/10). -Giuli, perhaps edit out the "fall ---con" stuff in your lead post....? -Anyone for inviting maha? -We will have none of that "competitive T-shirting" goin' on, now, y'all wanna-be bigmen... -Jim
tonyz Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 08:04 PM	The meetup.com site doesn't take on responsibility for what happens at meetups, they just create a space for it. SO it would be great to have a little form to arrange coffee meetings, campouts, and other ways of physically meeting other Ishconers, much like the revered Fark Party. So this would be the best palce to satart something like that. Youcna have the conference and all the trouble that comes with organizing. Most of us just want multiple opportunities to meet each other face to face, I prefer informal gathering, to see if we want to work together and really enact this vision of Walking Away. So if it was up to us to fill out forms to let people know about the who what when where why and how, we'd see a lot more gatherings happen, I would imagine. I think that would really help flesh out a new dimension for meeting like minded folks. I'll be watching Sarah compete in a triathalon the weekend before Labor day, so depending on location, I might be interested in camping the actual Labor Day weekend. A lot of traveing would just plain suck for me. If anyone wants to hang out in Chicago the 27th before Labor Day, that would be cool. Love, TonyZ
JCamasto Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 08:21 PM	TZ: Cool, I think I can meet you on 8/27. Regarding meetup.com - Our drum circle ditched this site (and set up our own, here) when they started charging $$. -Jim
twokniveskatie Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 11:52 PM	cool. i wanna be there. i'm flexible, limited only by gas prices. or i should say, the more i spend on gas, the less on spend on food.....(mutt adopts a concerned look....) i have an event the last week of september (eastern primitive rendezvous) but its not written in stone....just need to get there for a day or two for provisions; that's in lancaster county. the truckhut will have the new starter by labor day, and ready to roll. some thoughts: my attendance would hinge on park rules for dogs..... i like the name anthropiknik, but ishcamp identifies it with the gorilla....who i love, fictional or not. or is using "ish" out of the question? could we use the anthropik forum for pulling everything together, jason? if its not too long of a drive for me, i can bring wood....DRY wood!!!
Hypnopompia Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 12:39 AM	If can swing it I'll be there. Let's talk details, sooner we have them the sooner I can start angling for time off. BTW, probably won't come up, but we need to not have this on either of the high holidays. Yes, the reason for this are wholely selfish, which is to say that I think they are sufficent.
Nene Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 09:30 AM	Hey -- We plan to be in for this. Ian will be in school whichever weekend we choose... but I think I can get behind pulling him out for a couple days. Any nudge to the west would be nice :-) but then, Ian was upset that he didn't quite get to see mountains last year... so East would take care of that... Sep 16 works for us, if that's the choice... Janene
jefgodesky Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 10:05 AM	Well then, you're all in luck .... there's mountains to spare for Ian, and Sep. 16-18 seems to work for everyone. But, since there's no interest in this being an IshCon thing, I've moved it over to Anthropikon MMV. And not to worry, Ben: the Yamim Noraim are 3-13 October this year. You have weeks to spare. Dogs are OK, but they're to be kept on a leash. Sorry. Dry wood is appreciated, as it would mean less we'd have to buy from the nice old man, who, nice as he is, does demand money for his dry wood.
raku Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 10:34 AM	Damn, the things I miss not having internet at home! I'm in, wherever/whenever/whatever. And I think an Anthropik-based fall event is a great idea, especially since the Anthropik folks are one of the primitivism-oriented tribes. Ishcon in the spring, Anthropiknic in the fall! I'll try to organize some kind of caravan from the Northeast... stay tuned. Raku
raku Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 11:43 AM	BTW, Jason, is there a specific thread for the gathering on the Anthropik fora, or...? I couldn't find anything. Roxy
jefgodesky Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 12:01 PM	http://fora.anthropik.com/viewtopic.php?p=59 is the thread.
Menrandes Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 12:03 PM	\:D/ I'm interested :D ---- Miranda from Maryland
raku Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 12:14 PM	"jefgodesky" wrote: http://fora.anthropik.com/viewtopic.php?p=59 is the thread. Okay, but when I try to view it the message "Sorry, but only moderators can read topics in this forum" comes up.
JCamasto Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 12:41 PM	Jason: I can't seem to log in @ anthropik - says my account is inactive. ----- I was just reading about wood imports: most state parks frown upon bringing your own wood - as the wood may contain non-native insects and plant diseases. However, (i presume) Kate is suggesting bringing indigenous PA wood, so I think it'd be fine and appropriate. -Jim
twokniveskatie Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 01:09 PM	"JCamasto" wrote: However, (i presume) Kate is suggesting bringing indigenous PA wood, so I think it'd be fine and appropriate. -Jim whoa, jim, thanks! never heard of this before.....yeah, i'd be bringing pa wood, but i imagine even introducing from other areas would be forbidden. but i'll call and find out ahead of time. that so sucks, though....people really gouge on firewood prices....locking up the fuel supply is right on par with locking up the food.....but pest infestations are nasty....so...... another question would be if there are fire bans in the area in question.....t
jefgodesky Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 01:34 PM	Hmmm ... yes, that would be a problem, wouldn't it? Minor permissions problem; I haven't yet polished my forums, obviously. Should work now. Jim, not sure how you got down as inactive, but that's fixed now. They require all fires to be in the fire rings provided. Not sure about foreign woods. I do know that they have the same fuel-gathering policy as any other national forest: never touch anything alive, but anything dead on the ground is fair game. I pulled in and broke up a nice big one while I was there last weekend, but it must have broken off only a few days before. It was tender, still had sap, and wouldn't burn for shit.
twokniveskatie Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 02:06 PM	yeah, jason, dry seasoned deadfall is pretty much non-existant any where people congregate.....thats why i was always in the habit of tossing wood from the woodpile into the truckhut whenever i camped. then again, i rarely camp in state parks, so it wasn't an issue. thats probably why i didn't know about the wood ban.
twokniveskatie Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 02:46 PM	over at anthropik.....i can now read the post in administrativa, but it won't let me post a reply.....it says debug mode or something.....jason? :whip:
twokniveskatie Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 03:12 PM	me again :oops: its okay to bring in firewood at that campground, so long as it fits in the fire ring.
jefgodesky Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 03:24 PM	You posted the same message about six times. I deleted the five extras. Some combination of flooding limits and/or not having an up-to-date version of the thread probably did you in. Try going back and reloading now.
valhallan Wed Aug 10th, 2005 at 05:01 PM	Crap! I'd like to come, but I'll be on my honeymoon in Maine. Acadia national park baby! [/bragging] As for gas prices Jim, don't worry, Bush's new energy bill is sure to lower gas prices. I mean, $2.6 billion in grants to oil companies for exploration? That'll definately produce more oil for us to burn where there isn't any while not negatively impacting our already unstable environment! Isn't economics fun?
Seeker Wed Aug 10th, 2005 at 06:42 PM	Valhallan, what date(s) are you basing your "not being able to come" on? On the thread at Anthropik, we've been tossing around some new weekends... feel free to contribute there. It'd suck if the biodiesel guru wasn't able to come.

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