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| JCamasto Wed Feb 25th, 2004 at 01:07 AM |
All right! Thanks for playing! That first round was practice… and we've just cleaned out the sandbox. So, feel free to: Build a castle. Tell a story. Crack a joke. Pose a question. Write a poem. Vent a kidney. Beg for mercy. Set a vibe. Let it roll. You make the call… Just keep it down to 200 words, please. Let 'r rip! -Jim |
| Ghost Wed Feb 25th, 2004 at 02:47 AM |
I've recently started playing in a new band. I wrote lyrics and a melody for a song the other day. (clears throat) Why must I Follow you Why do I Not ponder you Am I not my own man Those born in this world Must follow the word Not question the word Nor see that the word Is simply absurd For those that are heard To challenge the word Are culled from the herd Man was born To conquer world Bow down to The awesome word Peace and Love and Empathy, Matt |
| Heretic Wed Feb 25th, 2004 at 09:25 AM |
The only biodiversity we’re going to have left is Coke versus Pepsi. -Chuck Palanuik, Lullaby No European who has tasted Savage Life can afterwards bear to live in our societies. -Ben Franklin As is true of numerous Older Cultures, the Native Americans viewed the concept of original sin and man’s sinful nature with bewilderment. Many were equally baffled by the European Gnostic notion of a god who is hateful, vengeful, and delights in setting humans up with temptation and then punishing them when they succumb. . . . Many Native Americans thought it quite odd that our religious leaders said if a person performed a ritual prescribed by a priest, their god would be induced to “forget” about their having committed murder or theft or rape. -Thom Hartmann, The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. -Mussolini |
| JCamasto Thu Feb 26th, 2004 at 01:05 AM |
Heretic could do a whole calendar of quotes. I dig it! Here's a quote, and a lyric: ----- To say a turkey will stand in the rain with his mouth open 'till he drowns in the sky- Is like saying that certain people will take doses of pleasure 'till they die. That's what an alien would say. (Oh, so you're an alien?) No, that would be ridiculous. (Oh, so you deny it now?) I have a receipt that says Texas. And I kind of like the feel of cool water... With no place left to go. -Thin White Rope "Ahr-Skidar" |
| Huby7 Thu Feb 26th, 2004 at 02:54 PM |
Stating the obvious here. The needs of natural world are more important than the need of The Economy. We must stop the flow of resources from the poor to the rich. |
| Huby7 Thu Feb 26th, 2004 at 03:03 PM |
I pulled this most recent review of Ishmael off from Amazon. "This book is blatantly anti-Semitic and anti-Christian blaming both groups with everything from over-population to animal extinction. The overall tone is pessimistic and negative. It premises are ridiculous and offensive and display nothing more than the author's twisted take on history and his strong anti-religious views. Who will like this book? It will be loved by KKK members, environmental terrorists and people with no hope for the human race." A Gandhi quote: "First they ignore you, than they laugh at you, than they attack you, than you win." |
| etbnc Thu Feb 26th, 2004 at 05:03 PM |
My draft response for Amazon is already more than 200 words, so I'll just have to post it there and link to it, I guess! I like your use of that Gandhi quote in this context. I may lead with it. Imitation is sincere flattery, right? Cheers, etbnc -- Attitude is everything. |
| Ghost Thu Feb 26th, 2004 at 06:42 PM |
Anti-Semitic? You know what? If I was a Jew, I'd be pretty fucking pissed off about how people just throw that term around. The Passion of the Christ is anti-semitic. Ishmael is anti-semitic. If you hate the Israeli occupation of Palestine, you're anti-semitic. It's like if I went around saying: Black history month is the shortest month because of racists. You said 'black' and not 'african american'; you're a racist. You didn't like "Barbershop"; you're a racist. These are not the sort of terms that you want to have lose their meaning! Calling someone an anti-semite or a racist or a sexist, is a SERIOUS fucking accusation. I HATE it when people just throw it around like it means nothing or when it's used simply to dismiss. It really gets under my skin. It's worrysome to me. Peace and Love and Empathy, Matt |
| Heretic Fri Feb 27th, 2004 at 08:58 AM |
So... uh... I've been coming to this site everyday for quite a while now, and I just now noticed the way cool quote at the bottom of the page: "If a revolution destroyes a systematic government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves in the succeeding government. There's so much talk about the system. And so little understanding." --Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Which has since been added to my ever expanding List-o-Quotes. Note to self. Start actually reading the webistes you frequent. :P But of course, the best one is near the very bottom of the page: "All your base are belong to us." I love this site. :D |
| etbnc Fri Feb 27th, 2004 at 09:38 AM |
Nice catch, and a good reminder to keep an eye out for details. Silas has been sneaking in little epigrams at the bottom of the page for a couple of months actually. The one from Zen & Motorcycle Maintenance just appeared recently. But the "all your base" warning is especially sneaky. I suspect our yellow avatar operator won't reveal how long that's been lurking in the legalese. :) -- All your beige are belong to us. |
| phusion Fri Feb 27th, 2004 at 12:36 PM |
One of my favorite snippets from The Culture of Make Believe: I just walked home from my mother's house. It's dark, but not so dark that I needed a lantern. I couldn't see my feet, but I know the path well enough to feel my way along. I walked in a canyon of redwoods, and at the midway point I finally looked up into the pale black sky to see the night's first stars: clusters already, and constellations. I don't know how I missed them before. I heard in the distance the calling of an unknown--to me--night bird. The dogs had run far ahead, and were waiting for me at the opening, tails wagging, mouths open in wide smiles. They pushed against me, one from each side. I was once again, and still happy. What more comforts and elegancies could anyone want, I thought, that these relationships, to simply be in the world? The bargain offered to us by the jealous God is not such a bargain; not for those whom the covenant would have us ignore, and not for us. |
| Corrina Fri Feb 27th, 2004 at 04:21 PM |
I don't suppose anyone happend to notice that the quote at the bottom of the page here the other day was from the Bob Dylan song "Corrina, Corrina". :roll: |
| JCamasto Sun Feb 29th, 2004 at 06:59 PM |
I'm temporarily runnin' my little happy family photo so everyone can have a good laugh. I am soo waitin' for the 80's to come back into fashion... -Jim |
| etbnc Sun Feb 29th, 2004 at 07:43 PM |
Corrina, I did notice the Dylan quote. Was it your birthday or did you request it specially? Unfortunately for me I don't think anybody has written an etbnc song. ;) Jim, as a guy who suffers male pattern baldness, the amount of hair your family displayed is almost painful for me to behold. :P |
| JCamasto Tue Mar 2nd, 2004 at 12:42 AM |
For those of you paying attention... You've rightfully guessed that the "80's child abuse - family portrait" did not jibe with my accumulated "record" at IshCon... So here's the real McCoy, featuring my superior partner, Kath. (We are indeed joined at the head...) And you've rightfully wondered what's with all the pictures, anyhow... Isn't a picture a thousand words? This is not X > 200words. Well, I guess I'm just not overflowing with words lately; I'd say I'm choosing to: "move incrementally in a new direction" more than "stand still considering the myriad options". Besides, these puny pixelated "pictures" can't weigh in at more than 150 words, by my reckoning. Really, I just wished to share a laugh, and then give you a glimpse of the real face behind the words. (When I do come up with a few...) And in appreciation for all that people here have shared about themselves. -Jim |
| Corrina Wed Mar 3rd, 2004 at 11:40 AM |
Naw, my birthday is in July. I think Chris was just being nice! And trying to see if I was paying attention! If there is no ETBNC song, we shall have to write one! Corrina |
| Ghost Thu Mar 4th, 2004 at 01:30 PM |
Things that make you go hmmm... Quote: During the twentieth century more people were added to the world than in all of previous human history. Edward O. Wilson "The Future of Life" During the twentieth century more people were killed in war than in all of previous human history. Coincidence? I think not. Peace and Love and Empathy, Matt |
| Huby7 Thu Mar 4th, 2004 at 03:18 PM |
From a student in one of Derrick Jensen's writing classes: "It's even better, because once you get to that place where you can walk on water, you suddenly find yourself on solid ground where before you thought there was no support. And this support comes not from you, but from everything around you. Once you begin to act from this place the whole universe conspires to support you. "And that's really what we need. The whole system is fucked. Everything is fucked. The planet's being killed. We're going into these awful fucking jobs we all hate, and what's required of us individually and all of us collectively is a miracle, or a million miracles. And that's what Derrick is asking of us, to go out and commit some miracles, and than write about them. That's not too much to ask, is it?" Pg. 211 in Derrick Jensen's Walking On Water. |
| Heretic Sat Mar 6th, 2004 at 04:16 AM |
Man - despite his artistic pretensions, his sophistication, and his many accomplishments - owes his existence to a six inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains. -- Anonymous Is it a bad sign if you spend the day wondering why there are no laws against what you do for a living? -- Dilbert You think I have visions because I am an Indian. I have visions because there are visions to be seen. -Buffy Sainte-Marie |
| JCamasto Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 01:12 AM |
This is not a book I've read, and Kath says it isn't worth much... But from it she culled this statistic of the week, an excerpt from: ___________________________________ Stop Screaming at the Microwave -by Mary LoVerde Chapter 11 Keeping Company with the Wise When I am dead I hope it may be said: His sins were scarlet but his books were read. -Hilaire Belloc Ever read a passage that just pierces your soul? I was reading an article by Brian Tracy and stopped in my tracks. Brian, a leading authority on success and personal achievement, wrote, "A great many people do not read very much. According to the American Booksellers, in 1991, fully 80 percent of American families did not buy or read a single book. Fifty-eight percent of Americans never read a nonfiction book from cover to cover after they finish high school. The average American reads less than one book per year. In fact, according to a Gallup study of the most successful men and women in America, reading one non-fiction book per month will put you in the top one percent of living Americans." Does that blow you away? ___________________________ Imagine the contrast to folks at IshCon… |
| Ghost Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 02:12 AM |
I actually don't read a whole heck of a lot and I'm a very slow reader to boot. I get most of my best info from auditory sources. The bulk of my reading is done on Ishcon 8) Peace and Love and Empathy, Matt |
| Heretic Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 08:54 AM |
"JCamasto" wrote: " ...reading one non-fiction book per month will put you in the top one percent of living Americans." Woohoo!! At least I'm in the top one percent of something. 8) |
| JCamasto Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 01:14 PM |
As there are Billions of people in this world without even phone or electricity (or enough food), I'm prepared to argue that most of us here at IshCon are in the top 1% of the world - pick your measure: be it cash, calories, or consumption.... -Jim |
| etbnc Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 02:33 PM |
And with 6.3 billion or so humans, being in the top 1% would put us in a club of "only" around 63 million. :!: |
| gabriel Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 04:01 PM |
Books are incredibly powerful. Every time you pick up a book you gamble with your life. It could change the very way you see the world. Sounds like a familiar experience. |
| Corrina Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 04:09 PM |
I just bought a book while I was on my lunch! I'm officially delving into "The Culture of Make Believe"! A very very big book. 8O |
| phusion Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 06:54 PM |
"Corrina" wrote: I just bought a book while I was on my lunch! I'm officially delving into "The Culture of Make Believe"! A very very big book. 8O While some people here disagree with me, I think this is a wonderful book. Even though it's large, you'll really enjoy it...it's GGGRRRREEEAAATT!:) |
| Huby7 Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 10:54 PM |
Quote: Does that blow you away? Not really. After 13 years of suffering through our Industrial Education system most people have forgotten what it is like to find enjoyment in learning. "If one of the most unforgivable sins is to lead people away from themselves, we must not forgive the processes of the industrial education." Pg. 216 Derrick Jensen's Walking On Water. |
| JCamasto Tue Mar 9th, 2004 at 11:36 PM |
It was exactly after suffering through our industrial education system, and then shucking aside the time vacuum of serious pyramid building for hire… that I had the time and desire to get my mind around Quinn, and Jensen, and doubtless others - looking for answers to the insanity of our ways. Since I score my media mostly from the library, I can't reference a quick quote from some of my favorite authors… But I once emailed Jensen something like: "You are correct. The madness of our culture and depth of its denial (or downright ignorance) makes anything we can do to curb it, stop it, reverse it, and destroy it - strikes me as perhaps the only sane response." And he responded to the effect of: "Yes. Phytoplankton are getting hammered now. That really is the end." ----- I've got to get my library to buy a copy of "Walking on Water"… -Jim |
| Huby7 Wed Mar 10th, 2004 at 01:51 PM |
Quote: I've got to get my library to buy a copy of "Walking on Water"… I think, Walking On Water shows readers a different side of Derrick Jensen's Character. I've read in Jensen's writing a few times that all people want is to be loved and accepted for who they are. He definately brings this attitude to the classroom. And I've experienced this with the encounters I've had with Derrick also. I think you'll all love Walking On Water. Curt |
| JCamasto Wed Mar 17th, 2004 at 01:54 AM |
Lately it seems I'm mute. In text production, at least. So here we go, F my own rules, I'm after something else, something more… ----- Despite being mute, my brain has hardly been inactive. Indeed, a benefit of my work (painting, etc.) is that I get to think about whatever I want, for hours on end. Or listen to books, tunes, non-commercial radio… Or families interacting and their endless phone calls... Anyway, what I've been thinking of, well, actually participating in (and I hate the word "actually", my long standing peeve, spraying like spittle from mouths everywhere) is physical competition. Sports and tournaments and the like. I play, practice, train, compete, organize, referee, and most anything else racquetball. Sports Competition The Physical: skill, strength, accuracy, endurance, training, practice, preparation, diet, pain, exhaustion, exhilaration, injury The Mental: knowledge, strategy, statistics, percentages, cunning, focus, planning, wisdom, experience, confidence, desire, visualization Then set out to repeatedly coordinate combinations of both to your utmost ability - literally battling against another physical/mental being... At a useless task, defined by arbitrary rules, to contest meaningless "points", often constrained inside a box. For me, it's a bizarre crucible for intense experience, ranging high and low,- and learning to handle all the accompanying emotions. I crave it, somehow. ------ And then I've been thinking about similarities to some of the extended thread debates I've been keeping out of lately. Silent. Like I'm getting my fill of competition already. Or know I'm not up to the game at hand. Or I've lost interest… And I think, "At least it's only text. So I'm not master of the keyboard…" And there it is! - only text, only "the mental" aspect. What I'm missing here is "the physical". But of course! It's a website, what should I expect? A set of body 'trodes and a billion baud data pipeline? ----- But now I can sense something more, anticipate it, feel it - right around the corner, stirring in Richmond, Indiana… Something far more than "only text". It's the real thing - I s h C o n 3 ! -Jim |
| JCamasto Wed Mar 24th, 2004 at 12:37 AM |
I believe we've crossed 10,000 posts, and are nearing 1000 members - and quite a weave it has become! I recall times when you couldn't keep a thread current - at least as listed on the forum sidebar's "most recent 5". Not even for an hour, some days… And then, as of late… The calm before the storm? -Jim |
| etbnc Thu Mar 25th, 2004 at 11:41 AM |
It's IshCon spring break, dude! Didn't you see the poster announcing the big Take Down Civilization Beach Party? 8) |
| JCamasto Thu Apr 1st, 2004 at 01:27 AM |
Nice sellout to the Man, April Fool! You can keep your Bible for Dummies - I'll be reading my Bill Gates & Rush Limbaugh, and enjoying a Coca-Cola on my way to the Bush meetup! Forward all my posts to the Dept of Homeland Security! And I'll paypal the freaking $1.26! -Jim (the google poople is just a gag, r r r right?) Wait! I got some more free words comin', if you're gonna stick me with the $2 minimum charge... So, like Starsky is totally givin' it to Hutch, ya know? |
| JCamasto Tue Apr 13th, 2004 at 12:40 AM |
Crimes against nature. I'm hearing this phrase more and more, it seems. I admit, it's kinda catchy; a good pitch from big Mother - and often trotted about by religious folk. But these three little words, strung together as such, make no sense to me. What could possibly constitute a "crime" (a man made construct) against "nature" (from whence man comes)? Disregard for natural laws? Doesn't that, if anything, characterize the whole of takerdom? And in particular the religious zealots making such charges? Oh... Now I see the irony... -Jim |
| Nene Tue Apr 13th, 2004 at 08:49 AM |
Hey Jim -- It's just like everything else 'takerish'. A Crime against Nature must be defined as a crime against humanity ...right??? 8O Janene |
| Huby7 Wed Apr 21st, 2004 at 12:56 PM |
Hey all, I just got done visiting Derrick Jensen's website and noticed that one of his former students from the prison has authored a novel that will be released in the middle of May. The authors name is Casey Maddox. The title of the novel is THE DAY PHILOSOPHY DIES. I read the first six pages on Derrick's site and it really starts out great. You can learm more about and order the novel here...http://www.derrickjensen.org/philosophy/index.html Curt |
| JCamasto Sat Apr 24th, 2004 at 11:04 PM |
So I'm chillin', doin' nuthin' on a Saturday night... After staffing several earth day gigs, pitching renewable energy in Illinois... Landing an interview for a RE pioneer on Chicago public radio... With my wife pro-choice marching in DC... So, I'm sitting here, browsing windows open to both IshCon & Ish.org... And just now the phone rings... Someone is asking to speak with Ishmael... (actual transcript follows:) "Who?" Ishmael. "Who??" Ishmael. "Who???" Ishmael. "Uh, Ishmael?" Uh-huh. "I'm sorry, Ishmael is not here. Would you like to speak to B, instead?" Who? "B." Who?? "B." Uh, I think I have the wrong numbe... "Maybe not..." Click. "Click." -Jim |
| Huby7 Mon Apr 26th, 2004 at 06:02 PM |
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini |
| Heretic Mon Apr 26th, 2004 at 07:44 PM |
That's one of my favorite quotes, Huby. :) "Mussolini - a gift from providence." Pope Pius XI |
| Huby7 Fri Apr 30th, 2004 at 05:46 PM |
Heretic, I was surprised when I read that Franklin Roosevelt refered to Mussolini as "that admirable Italian Gentlemen", but the quote by Pope Pius XI really takes the cake. A gift from providence...unbelievable! Curt |
| Heretic Sun May 2nd, 2004 at 03:30 AM |
"Huby7" wrote: A gift from providence...unbelievable! Indeed. 8O |
| Huby7 Fri May 14th, 2004 at 12:39 PM |
Here is a real dandy of a quote by another one of our famous Texan presidents. I found this quote in Regime Unchange by Milan Rai. "Incidentally, when the Greek Ambassador told US President Lyndon Johnson that his country objected to US plans to partition the independent Republic of Cyprus between Greece and Turkey, the President responded, 'Fuck you parliament and your constitution. America is an elephant, Cyprus is a flea. Greece is a flea. If these two fellows continue itching the elephant, they may just get whacked by the elephant's trunk, whacked good... If your Prime Minister gives me talk about democracy, parliament and constitution, he, his parliament and his constitution may not last very long.' Furthermore, the president added, 'maybe Greece should rethink the value of a parliament which could not take the right decision.' Lyndon Johnson Not long after Johnson's remarks the generals took over Greece. How is that for a compassion? |
| JCamasto Mon May 24th, 2004 at 06:52 PM |
"Having sex is like playing bridge. If you don't have a good partner, you'd better have a good hand." -Woody Allen |
| JCamasto Sat Jun 12th, 2004 at 08:00 PM |
One of the funnier things that fell out of my mouth at IshCon... "I can see infinity... Well, not ALL of it." -Jim |
| JCamasto Wed Jun 16th, 2004 at 12:01 PM |
"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." — George Bernard Shaw, (1856-1950) Irish playright, Nobel Prize for Literature (1925) |
| Beau Tue Jul 13th, 2004 at 04:49 AM |
Quote: "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." Unless "it" = "reaching the ideals of taker culture" |
| JCamasto Tue Jul 13th, 2004 at 02:47 PM |
"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know." -Ralph Waldo Emerson, from his journal |
| Heretic Wed Jul 14th, 2004 at 09:34 AM |
:lol: |
| jefgodesky Tue Sep 7th, 2004 at 07:38 PM |
Most of the posts in this thread are over 200 words. This one is not. Yay, I count as succinct now! :lol: |
| Huby7 Wed Oct 20th, 2004 at 03:37 PM |
"[this new type of man] turns his interests away from life, persons, nature, ideas-- in short from everything that is alive; he transforms all life into things, including himself and the manifestations of his human faculties of reason, seeing, hearing, tasting, loving... The world becomes the sum of lifeless artifacts; from synthetic food to synthetic organs; the whole man becomes part of the total machinery that he controls and is simultaneously controlled by. He has no plan, no goal for life, except doing what the logic of technique determines him to do. He aspires to make robots as one of the greatest achievements of his technical mind, and some specialists assure us that the robot will hardly be distinguished from living men. This achievement will not seem so astonishing when man himself is hardly distinguishable from a robot. " Erich Fromm From page 88 of Jensen and Draffan's Welcome to the Machine. |
| JCamasto Thu Jan 27th, 2005 at 04:57 PM |
OK then. I'm gonna dust off this ol' thread here, because, well, I'm getting a bit fatigued from all the talk of: religion and diet and "the crash" and dictionary definitions and acolytes stuck at the altar of DQ worship.... A fresh breath of anything else will do. So what have y'all got? (Check out the first post in this thread if you need instructions.) Let 'r rip.... ------ Quote: Americans who travel abroad for the first time are often shocked to discover that, despite all the progress that has been made in the last 30 years, many foreign people still speak in foreign languages. -Dave Barry |
| Ludi Thu Jan 27th, 2005 at 06:20 PM |
Quote: acolytes stuck at the altar of DQ worship Yeah, heaven forbid we should talk about DQ and his ideas! "ISH - of or pertaining to Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael" novels and the ideas in them" |
| maha Thu Jan 27th, 2005 at 06:58 PM |
Quote: They can't slow down because they use their routine to distract themselves, to reduce life to only its practical considerations. And they do this to avoid recalling how uncertain they are about why they live. -James Redfield This is typical Taker behavior. Huby7, I posted this in response to your post from Jensen and Draffan. |
| Heretic Thu Jan 27th, 2005 at 07:03 PM |
Quote: To be agreeable, all that is necessary is to take an interest in other persons and in other things, to recognize that other people as a rule are much like one's self, and thankfully to admit that diversity is a glorious feature of life. -Frank Swinnerton Quote: Natives who beat drums to drive off evil spirits are objects of scorn to smart Americans who blow horns to break up traffic jams. -Mary Ellen Kelly Quote: An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. -Victor Hugo :twisted: |
| phoenix_67 Thu Jan 27th, 2005 at 09:03 PM |
Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea. This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy. - Douglas Noel Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
| Huby7 Fri Jan 28th, 2005 at 03:44 PM |
Maha, You wrote:"Huby7, I posted this in response to your post from Jensen and Draffan. Thank you for telling me this. Take Care, Curt Occupied Anishinaabe Land |
| ledbetter Fri Jan 28th, 2005 at 04:21 PM |
Quote: "He who fights with dragons risks becoming a dragon himself. And when you stare long enough into the abyss, the abyss will stare into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil , translation paraphrased from George Orwell's old column "As I please." Quote: "Something we all need in order to feel the fullness of life: It's not only a sense that we belong on our planet, but also that we belong in other people's lives—that we are loved, lovable, and capable of loving." - Fred Rogers, "Thoughts for All Ages" Quote: "It is intelligent to have a plan but neurotic to fall in love with it." - Wayne Dyer, Staying on the Path Daniel :D |
| ninjapirate Fri Jan 28th, 2005 at 04:44 PM |
Quote: There's an old journalists' axiom about comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable. I say to hell with the comfortable. |
| ProjectPurity Fri Jan 28th, 2005 at 06:18 PM |
Quote: That which was obtained by violence requires violent means to maintain. Jerry Sanders |
| PiperErickson Sun Jan 30th, 2005 at 01:23 AM |
Quote: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - M.K. GandhiQuote: The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. - H. Thoreau |
| PiperErickson Sun Jan 30th, 2005 at 01:29 AM |
Yesterday I went and visited with some friends from the Buddhist temple I joined. It was a sewing/knitting sort of thing, there was only two guys there. I mended my sweater and was taught how to chain together..umm...something I can't remember...for... ... It was great, creative fun. I think I'm going to make a scarf. Maybe I can make myself a sweater. Hey, who thinks that knitting/crocheting is a good tribal skill? :) - Joe |
| tonyz Sun Jan 30th, 2005 at 12:57 PM |
quote]"He who fights with dragons risks becoming a dragon himself. And when you stare long enough into the abyss, the abyss will stare into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, translation paraphrased from George Orwell's old column "As I please."[/quote] I think this is because you gain empathy, understnading of their way of life, and there comes apoitn where this empathy could cause you to reject your old life. Keeping both intact, and understnading how touse both sides of the same coin at the same time, seems to me, to be the third way. Love, ~TonyZ |
| ninjapirate Mon Jan 31st, 2005 at 02:26 PM |
Surprised we haven't seen this one yet: "Margaret Mead" wrote: Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. These also seem pertinent: "Arthur Schopenhauer" wrote: All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. "Ambrose Bierce" wrote: Ocean: A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man - who has no gills. "David Gerrold" wrote: Understanding the laws of nature does not mean that we are immune to their operations. And this is kinda funny: "Ralph Waldo Emerson" wrote: The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization. |
| ledbetter Tue Feb 1st, 2005 at 10:34 AM |
Tony, I can definitely see your perspective. That quote makes me think of the US, in becoming terrorists and embracinf fascism to defeat fascist terrorists.... What I fear about opposing the 'dominator' view of life is trying to dominate it out of existence.... It's so difficult to engage a spiteful culture rooted in dominating Others and remain compassionate and healthy. There's such a temptation to accept 'the end justifies the means.' But accepting that idea simply looks for us to dominate the people who have it wrong. In which case, we wouldn't really have changed anything.... Daniel |
| tonyz Tue Feb 1st, 2005 at 08:07 PM |
Yes... yes! YES! Pardon my french but you are so RIGHT! We aren't going to be able to beat anyone over the head with tribalism, plain and simple. We have to REPLACE civilization, not blow it up, and rebuild something in it's place... Lovely, Dan Love, ~TonyZ |
| Hypnopompia Wed Feb 2nd, 2005 at 12:41 AM |
"After all, people are just bigger, slightly more complicated gall-wasps!" -Liam Neeson as Dr. Kinsey, Kinsey Read this on another site, thought it was funny. |
| Huby7 Thu Feb 3rd, 2005 at 02:37 PM |
“I see and admire your manner of living. . . . In short you can do almost what you choose. You whites possess the power of subduing almost every animal to your use. You are surrounded by slaves. Every thing about you is in chains and you are slaves yourselves. I fear that if I should exchange my pursuits for yours, I too should become a slave.” Osage chief Big Soldier |
| JCamasto Tue Feb 8th, 2005 at 01:56 PM |
Quote: We'll deceive you for just as long as it takes for you to love us. -Eat |
| twokniveskatie Tue Feb 8th, 2005 at 06:08 PM |
"may the forest be with you" (unknown) |
| JCamasto Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 04:16 PM |
Quote: More than 50% of all electricity used to power home electronics is consumed while they're turned "off". |
| ProjectPurity Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 04:40 PM |
Wha? :?: |
| JCamasto Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 05:11 PM |
Example: tv, vcr, dvd, monitor, printer, answering machine, door bell, garage door opener..... In Short: Any plugged in appliance with a power transformer (black "cube"), remote control circuit, clock or backlight is consuming power even though the appliance appears "turned off" or not "in use" (refered to as a "vampire" load). It's a small amount of power (typically around 5 watts per device), but multiplied out by 24/7/365 - it can often exceed 50% of the total power used by a given appliance. Say you've got a tv that draws 140 watts while watching it, and 6 watts when it is "turned off". If you use the tv for 1 hr/day, it consumes 140 watt-hrs. Similarly, it consumes 138 watt-hrs for the other 23 hours a day it is sitting idle. Solution? Put all your gear on a switchable power strip, and REALLY turn it off when it's not being used. Incidentally, this also adds another layer of lightning/surge protection... -Jim |
| ProjectPurity Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 06:37 PM |
Oh, but then you've got to subtract the energy draw of that LED in the powerstrip switch when it's on... i bet that adds almost 10% to your energy consumption! Just kidding.... I didn't know that it was that bad. I knew that having backlit stuff residing in the off position with the backlit stuff still on drew power, but i didn't know that it added up like that. I'll have to put everything on a light switch or a power strip. |
| JCamasto Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 07:22 PM |
Yeah, some strips use an led (led's draw very little current) but it's usually off when you throw the switch. (I've got illuminated lighted switches throughout my house though - I haven't measured them...) What I'm getting at: the results of a cursory "energy audit" to identify big loads and "vampires" in a home - using a watt meter (Watt's Up & Kill-A-Watt) that plugs in-series to measure an appliance (or group of appliances) when on and/or idle. Compressors are fairly big energy users used for long periods (air conditioners, refrigerators, de-humidifiers). Heaters are giant energy users for relatively short periods (toasters, hair dryers, space heaters, microwaves). I cut about 15% of my monthly energy use just by "power stripping" the vampire loads associated with entertainment gear and 'puter. I've swapped/converted about 90% of my indoor/outdoor lighting uses with fluorescents and CFLs. Reducing unneeded/unused loads is an intelligent first step (and generally most cost effective) prior to sizing an RE system - you minimize waste and enable a smaller, less expensive set-up. A similar process: upgrading insulation and weatherproofing before attempting to heat a structure (with RE or fossil fuel). Well, there's 200 words... -Jim |
| JCamasto Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 07:33 PM |
In our local newsletter, a neighbor bragged that he had over 27,000 individual "holiday lights" for his annual over-the-top seasonal display. How I'd love to measure the wattage of THAT get up... And throttle it with a few power strips... :wink: -Jim |
| Huby7 Fri Feb 11th, 2005 at 10:27 PM |
"How is it conceivable that all our lauded technological progress—our very Civilization—is like the axe in the hand of the pathological criminal?" Albert Einstein |
| JCamasto Sun Feb 13th, 2005 at 07:28 PM |
Simulated "World Clocks" counting off: World Population, Rain Forest Acres Lost, and Species Extinctions -Jim |
| Huby7 Tue Feb 15th, 2005 at 09:30 PM |
"One reason violence is used so often by those in power is because it works. It works dreadfully well. And it can work for liberation as well as subjugation. To say that violence never accomplishes anything not only degrades the suffering of those harmed by violence but it also devalues the triumphs of those who have fought their way out of abusive or exploitative situations. Abused women or children have killed their abusers, and become free of his abuse. (Of course, often then the same selective law enforcement agencies and courts that failed to stop the original abuse now step in to imprison those who sent violence the wrong way up the hierarchy.) And there have been many indigenous and other armed struggles for liberation that have succeeded for shorter or longer periods. In order to maintain their fantasies, dogmatic pacifists must ignore the harmful and helpful efficacy of violence." Derrick Jensen Disclaimer: Please don't repost this anywhere else without first asking for Derrick's permission. This is from an unpublished work. |
| silas Tue Feb 15th, 2005 at 09:58 PM |
"Huby7" wrote: Disclaimer: Please don't repost this anywhere else without first asking for Derrick's permission. This is from an unpublished work. Curt, If the above is from an unpublished work and requires Derrick's permission to post, then I might suggest you remove it until Derrick grants such permission explicitly. We've had miscommunications with him in the past about what he does and doesn't want posted on IshCon about him, and his last communication on the matter to me was something to the effect of "don't ever put anything I say or write on your site ever again". I'd hate for him to find that his wishes were being violated. Thanks! Silas |
| Huby7 Wed Feb 16th, 2005 at 08:18 PM |
Silas, You wrote:"If the above is from an unpublished work and requires Derrick's permission to post, then I might suggest you remove it until Derrick grants such permission explicitly." It shouldn't be a problem. I got permission from Derrick before I posted this specific quote. Take Care, Curt Occupied Anishinaabe Land |
| Hypnopompia Thu Feb 17th, 2005 at 12:03 AM |
"silas" wrote: We've had miscommunications with him in the past about what he does and doesn't want posted on IshCon about him, and his last communication on the matter to me was something to the effect of "don't ever put anything I say or write on your site ever again". I'd hate for him to find that his wishes were being violated. If its none of my business feel free to inform me of the fact in any manner you deem expeidient. But I'm curious, what was it that happened to cause such a reply? |
| JCamasto Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 at 07:10 PM |
Quote: I fear it will take expensive condominiums in Florida floating out to sea before Americans embrace the need to combat global warming. Lew Freedman, Chicago Tribune ....And I fear THAT won't be nearly enough, not even close.... -Jim |
| Huby7 Thu Feb 24th, 2005 at 05:38 PM |
“When the situation is hopeless, there’s nothing to worry about.” “To the intelligent man or woman, life appears infinitely mysterious. But the stupid have an answer for every question.” “Terrorism: deadly violence against humans and other living things, usually conducted by government against its own people.” “The sense of justice springs from self-respect; both are coeval from our birth. Children are born with an innate sense of justice; it usually takes twelve years of public schooling and four more years of college to beat it out of them.” “Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hard-headed realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners.” “Hierarchical institutions are like giant bulldozers—obedient to the whim of any fool who takes the controls.” Edward Abbey |
| Huby7 Sun Mar 20th, 2005 at 12:27 PM |
Upon suffering beyond suffering, the Red Nation shall rise again and it shall be a blessing for a sick world. A world filled with broken promises selfishness and separations. A world longing for light again. I see a time of seven generations when all the colors of mankind will gather under the sacred Tree of Life and the whole Earth will become one circle again. In that day there will be those among the Lakota who will carry knowledge and understanding of unity among all living things. I salute the light within your eyes where the whole universe dwells. For when you are at that center within you and I am that place within me... we shall be as one. C R A Z Y H O R S E (This was passed on by Chief Joe Chasing Horse, a relative of Crazy Horse. Chasing Horse translated it from the words of the grandmother who was present when the words were spoken Chief Crazy Horse sat smoking the sacred pipe at Paha Sapa with Chief Sitting Bull - for the last time... four days later, Crazy Horse was dead.) |
| tonyz Sun Mar 20th, 2005 at 01:03 PM |
Reminds me of a Hopi Prophecy TonyZ |
| Huby7 Sun Mar 27th, 2005 at 10:39 PM |
"To be civilized is to hold oneself in opposition to nature, which is to hold oneself in opposition to oneself, to be ashamed of the animality of the self, which to the fully civilized means the “filth” of the self. All of this destroys any possibility of communication or entering into communion with anyone but other civilized humans. If we listen to the creatures and to the elements, and even to our bodies, we are then primitive, backwards. So we learn very early to put that away. We learn to despise ourselves and to feel ashamed of our bodies, to hate the dirt and to hate everything about us, because we’re human, which means we’re humus: they come from the same latin root: earth and dirt. But self-loathing is a difficult thing to acknowledge—maybe the most difficult—so all those characteristics we must loathe if we are to be civilized, if we are to dominate, get dumped into others who bear the shame and who end up feeling dirty." Jane Caputi |
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